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FONGO_dom wrote: This is something they are looking at. The issue at hand isnt a simple one as these are options that were working with the previous versions of Java. This is the official response, yes, but it is until we have a fix for the coding itself.
That's what I mean -- and as far as an OFFICIAL answer, it kinda stinks -- it is more of a STOP-GAP (finger in the dike until we figure it out) fix ...

That said, I am pretty sure that getting a change-list from the working version of JAVA to the non-working version of JAVA is not going to be like pulling teeth from a pregnant elephant ...

And as far as troubleshooting -- I hope that someone in the "Fongo-Labs" did some -- the only input that does not work in the keypad is NUMBERS --- you can type anything else in there that you want to, letters, symbols, ASCII, just not numbers; maybe that helps narrow things down?

Also: If you don't need to do IVR or enter other information, using the CONTACTS list is a workable solution rather than downgrading JAVA, to get around the nonfunctional NUMERIC dialpad not working....

Also --- as odd as it is --- why would the direct keyboard input ALSO not work (alongside the keypad being kaput) -- makes it sound like a coding error that was "cleaned up" (broken!) by the JAVA update ...
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Re: Uninstalling

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TheHardy wrote:
FONGO_dom wrote:Uninstall both versions of Java then go back to the link and install the correct one. Reboot and it should work fine. If not, reinstall DV after Java has been uninstalled then reinstalled.
Be aware that particularly with FPL software (and I would think DV as well), that uninstalling it is sometimes problematic.

One solution that was suggested via the forums and worked very well, was to use a 3rd party uninstaller "REVO UNINSTALLER" for removal of FPL (DV) software.

Note that it was also recommended to try the regular uninstall first, then reinstall and if it STILL failed to go with REVO to uninstall again --- I would suggest that you just SKIP the first step and go directly to the REVO uninstall in the first place to save yourself some time and headache.
In the case of Dell Voice soft phone, it comes with a built in uninstaller. All you need to do is open your menu, go to Dell Voice, and select uninstall in the folder. Reboot the computer and you are good to go.
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Re: Dialpad - not working

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cpchun wrote:Hi,

I just downloaded Dell Voice on my new Dell Vostro V131. The dial pad does not work (i.e. numbers do not punch out when I click on the digits). I am using Windows 7, and have the latest Java vs 7.0.10

Please advise.
You have to first click inside the box above the dialpad before you can punch or click your numbers. :x

***edit***
To put this in proper perspective, the platform is:
- Dell Voice version 1.1.1.0
- Java 6 Update 25
- Win 7 32-bit
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Re: Dialpad - not working

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FONGO_dom wrote:
sylvain1967 wrote:I Installed version 29 as stated and followed all instructions. When I look in my program list, I see it is installed but the latest version is also there and when I chech what version I am running, it is still version 33.
I removed the newest version but I get a message JDK not found.
Can you tell me how to do it properly?
Uninstall both versions of Java then go back to the link and install the correct one. Reboot and it should work fine. If not, reinstall DV after Java has been uninstalled then reinstalled.
I unstalled all versions of java and installed version 29 of the link and rebooted.
When i open any application needing java (Delvoice also) I get a message saying that java JDK is missing. When I go to http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp
I get a message saying that no working java version is detected on my system.
Note: in your message, you specify that the problem is for the systems using the 32 bits version. The site you specify for download shows only a version for 64 bits.

What am I understanding wrong?
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with a working java version ...

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cu2o2o2 wrote:
You have to first click inside the box above the dialpad before you can punch or click your numbers. :x

***edit***
To put this in proper perspective, the platform is:
- Dell Voice version 1.1.1.0
- Java 6 Update 25
- Win 7 32-bit
Yes, but as you say, you do not have the affected "latest" java version installed, so you are not affected by the problem that the others are experiencing! ;)
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32/64 bit

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You must install both 32 and 64 if your system uses both, which it will depending on which applications you are running!

I know this is unclear, but try making sure that you have both 32/64 of v29 installed and see if you are still having this issue!
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Re: 32/64 bit

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TheHardy wrote:You must install both 32 and 64 if your system uses both, which it will depending on which applications you are running!

I know this is unclear, but try making sure that you have both 32/64 of v29 installed and see if you are still having this issue!
The link you suggest http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/ ... 19409.html
propose only the download of the 64 v29. Where do I go to download 32?
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Re: with a working java version ...

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TheHardy wrote:
cu2o2o2 wrote:
You have to first click inside the box above the dialpad before you can punch or click your numbers. :x

***edit***
To put this in proper perspective, the platform is:
- Dell Voice version 1.1.1.0
- Java 6 Update 25
- Win 7 32-bit
Yes, but as you say, you do not have the affected "latest" java version installed, so you are not affected by the problem that the others are experiencing! ;)

Yes, I did not upgrade my Java version on any of my computers. Java 6 update 29 broke some functionalities of apps previously written and I learned this the hard way from the very first day it was released. You see I am using Scotia Connect for my online banking and on the day update 29 was released, I installed it to my computer. Surprise! I can not get into Scotia Connect. Called Scotia Connect tech support and they had no idea at that time so I uninstalled update 29 and rolled back to update 25 then everything worked fine. Next morning I received an urgent bulletin from Scotiabank telling users not to upgrade to update 29 until further notice as some of the functionalities of the software are broken. To date, I have not been advised that I can upgrade to a newer version. So, NO LATEST Java update for me until the previously written apps are updated to work with latest Java, or Java can fix their software to be backward-compatible with Java 6 version 25! I am banking on Scotiabank to update me when either one is accomplished. :)
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Re: with a working java version ...

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cu2o2o2 wrote: Yes, I did not upgrade my Java version on any of my computers. Java 6 update 29 broke some functionalities of apps previously written and I learned this the hard way from the very first day it was released. You see I am using Scotia Connect for my online banking and on the day update 29 was released, I installed it to my computer. Surprise! I can not get into Scotia Connect. Called Scotia Connect tech support and they had no idea at that time so I uninstalled update 29 and rolled back to update 25 then everything worked fine. Next morning I received an urgent bulletin from Scotiabank telling users not to upgrade to update 29 until further notice as some of the functionalities of the software are broken. To date, I have not been advised that I can upgrade to a newer version. So, NO LATEST Java update for me until the previously written apps are updated to work with latest Java, or Java can fix their software to be backward-compatible with Java 6 version 25! I am banking on Scotiabank to update me when either one is accomplished. :)
Wow ... sorry to hear that.

It really is quite surprising to me how many poorly written JAVA programs there are, where the programmers play fast and loose with some very defined code. I know it is also partially how the Java updates are done, but if the software that USES JAVA was written correctly (IE: nice tight code, adheres to the set standards), then they would NOT break when JAVA updates are done.

Hope that Scotia fixes their crap soon. I am no counting on Fongo to get theirs going anytime soon -- the FPL software has been bug-riddled for about a year and counting now and no fix is in sight. I hold out little hope for the DV software to be made compatible with the current JAVA either.
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it's weird cause my java and update 33 are together...I don't see Java program then seperate update 33 in the control panel. also, i downloaded the update 29 kit 64 but it doesn't agree with my computer. my computer is 32 bits. ???
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People I share your frustration , been there done that. I am not saying that Fongo doesn't known what they are talking about . But it seems like it .The only good help I got is that from TheHardy . Do not uninstall your Java . By using your keyboard enter the phone numbers into your contact pad & dial from there . That is what I do & it works . Until Fongo fixes there softver , this is what we have to do with the free desktop version. I am running XP. Also have a laptop to that one is running windows 7 & java version 6 update 31 there is no problem with the dialpad on my laptop works fine . So do the easy thing enter the phone number into contact & dial from there . Good like .
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Re: Dialpad - not working

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i figured that if you type the phone number somewhere else and then copy the number, you can then paste the number in the DellVoice application by using Ctrl-V
by this way you don't have to downgrade your Java program.
but you can only make one call after that you have to restart the desktop application to make another call :roll:
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Dial pad not working. I sure don't want change my latest JAVA version! (I don't even know what that is) It seems the problem has been there for a long while and no solution. So what to do now?? This is getting VERY VERY tedious. And WHEN is a solution going to be provided? I'm not a computer geek and can't understand any of the discussion in this thread. All I know is that my phone isn't working!!
This company doesn't seems to be very serious about service. Strange indeed that DELL seems to be the major sponsor! So once again, what do I do??? Since any answerer here is not the one responsible for this mess, it seems fair to thank you in advance...
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bluecloud wrote:Dial pad not working. I sure don't want change my latest JAVA version! (I don't even know what that is) It seems the problem has been there for a long while and no solution. So what to do now?? This is getting VERY VERY tedious. And WHEN is a solution going to be provided? I'm not a computer geek and can't understand any of the discussion in this thread. All I know is that my phone isn't working!!
This company doesn't seems to be very serious about service. Strange indeed that DELL seems to be the major sponsor! So once again, what do I do??? Since any answerer here is not the one responsible for this mess, it seems fair to thank you in advance...
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This is half an issue RE: the DellVoice softphone, and half an issue regarding Oracle's Java updates. If you read elsewhere online, or even in this thread, you will see that java programs have been slowly breaking as new updates are released. Part of this is because functions which have been deprecated over time are finally being removed, but programmers who learned to use them were still relying on them.

I'd be interested to know if the programming team for the DellVoice soft-phone is in-house at Fongo/FPL or at Dell, as it seems to follow different design standards and functionality than the Fongo soft-phone.

It wouldn't be correct to say that Dell is "the" major sponsor, but they are one Fongo partner, and a fairly recent one at that in the grand scheme of things. (I've been with Freephoneline since 2008.)

The forum here, you must remember, is an unofficial channel for support, and I urge you and everyone else to (calmly) call the support line, and explain the issue you're having. They may ask you to do troubleshooting, if they ask you to change your Java version and you're unwilling to, simply explain that you have other applications that rely on the current version of Java (this is likely true anyway.)

If the voice requesting this to get fixed is large enough, then it is likely to garner the attention it requires more quickly.

While there are a number of FONGO official voices in the forums, they cannot be expected to be here at all times, nor can all complaints made via the forums be expected to reach the necessary decision makers. The forum really is a community driven project where people such as Hardy, Jake and myself take the bulk of the questions, and await verification on official matters from the FONGO crew.
Steve and Mike seem to be especially active and responsive, and we're grateful to have them, but their primary job positions lie else-where in the inner workings of the Fongo/FPL service, and should remember they are here because they choose to be, not because they are paid to be, as such they get my utmost respect, both for the obvious love and faith they have for this Fongo/FPL project, and for their dedication to the end users.
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Re: Dialpad - not working

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what is java 29? i looked at the link you posted but don't see any 29.
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jess.chinn@gmail.com wrote:what is java 29? i looked at the link you posted but don't see any 29.
It's Java 6, update 29. Java 6 is now upto update 34, and Java 7 is at Update 6.
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i went to the link provided but do not see version 6, 29 for 32 bit systems, i have tried all matter of other downloads but they don't work.
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I have the same problem. Dial pad not working and I don't want to change my latest JAVA version! (I run Win7 64 bits, Java version 7, update 5) Other programs need the latest Java version.
The issue seems to have been going on for several months.
I appreciate the free phone number and so on, I hate to criticize but this company doesn't seems to be very serious about customer service.
Another issue is the quality of the voice. Gmail is much, much better, unfortunately they don't offer free phone numbers.
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Re: Dialpad - not working

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My brother in law downloaded the pc version after I showed him my phone version. He has the same problem with not being able to use the keypad. He did call me and told me that as long as the number is in his contact list he can use it to call out. I don't have this on my pc but I figure there's a contact list just like on the phone version.
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Re: Dialpad - not working

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Personally,

I love the service and even willing to pay a small fee for it. I just don't understand why they won't load or update their software (Mobile & Desktop). Talk-a-tone has released at least 10 updates already.

Problem with Dell voice desktop: can't dial out!

Problem with Dell voice mobile: LOW VOLUME, drives me nuts. I've sent email and no answer.
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Re: Dialpad - not working

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Welcome to the ranks of the frustrated ... the dialpad issue is just one of the more glaring ones that Fongo seems to chose to ignore! :(
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Re: Dialpad - not working

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I had this problem and just fixed it for my desktop computer on win7. I uninstalled java in programs and then re-installed java 6 update 27.

Can't find the download link anymore. Hope this helps anyone with the "dial pad not working" issue.
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If you uninstall Java and Dell Voice, reboot, then install Dell Voice first, it will install a version of java that will work.

Then, you just need to ignore the java update reminder every time you turn on your computer for the rest of eternity... *ugh*
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i finally got a call through but i can't hear the person on the other end...
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Re: Dialpad - not working

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kody wrote:If you uninstall Java and Dell Voice, reboot, then install Dell Voice first, it will install a version of java that will work.

Then, you just need to ignore the java update reminder every time you turn on your computer for the rest of eternity... *ugh*
Yeah, this is called a work-around or kludge ... it is NOT a real fix ... and that is the annoying part -- the unwillingness of the developer to develop an app that works correctly without having to sh!t-hammer it ...
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